Talk:2011 Ditmar eligibility list

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For the artwork category, should this be ordered alphabetically by artist or as it is currently, alphabetically by work title? Punkrocker1991 09:28, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... By artist would probably make it easier for nominators. I will change it accordingly. — JEREMY 09:58, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Question Is there a protocol for querying eligibility of nominations? I'm not convinced that simply putting a strikethrough with a comment suggesting a move or modification is the best way, and would rather editors make the requisite move or look at modifying the nomination to make it eligible. Punkrocker1991 14:34, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

No, there's no protocol. This article is in no sense "official", and is therefore community-moderated. Once nominations are made, the DitSubCom will independently adjudicate eligibility. — JEREMY 23:54, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Best New Talent As these are the 2010 Ditmars, would it be that a nomination or award in 2007 or before would make the nominee ineligible? Punkrocker1991 14:34, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

The relevant rule states, "The Best New Talent award recognises excellence of achievement in any field of the genre by an individual who has not been nominated for a recognised award three or more years before the year the award is held." These awards are being held in 2011. So, a nomination in 2008 or before would make an individual ineligible. --Thomas Bull 09:37, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Thomas, the wording of this category confused me somewhat. Next question: is the Sir Juluis Vogel Award a "recognised award"?Punkrocker1991 10:09, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
It has been clarified that the Sir Julius Vogel Awards, in general, are recognised. However, it has also been noted that "Tracie McBride is eligible based on rules interpretation by DitSubCom Feb 2011". --Thomas Bull 21:20, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Um, actually I think I might have made a mistake there. — JEREMY 23:54, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
The part about the Sir Julius Vogel Award is correct: It is a "recognised award". --Thomas Bull 10:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
That's certainly true. What's not true is that a win in a recognised award for achievements in 2007 doesn't make someone ineligible for a nomination in 2011. — JEREMY 10:19, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Atheling Can I please get a clarification on the Atheling, is it for a single work or a body of work?Punkrocker1991 10:09, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

The rule says "a work or related work". --Thomas Bull 18:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
As it stands, the rules say (effectively) "a single work". However, I think the intent was a work or group of related works. (The "related" might have two meanings: the alternate interpretation, that it refers to a work related to the genre, seems less likely than the drafting error of substituting the singular for the plural in "work".) — JEREMY 23:54, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Use of Strikethrough or moving nominations Can I refer all editors to the discussion above where Jeremy clearly states "Once nominations are made, the DitSubCom will independently adjudicate eligibility". My interpretation off this is that editors should not be using strikethrough or moving nominations to other categories unless requested by the nominee -- it is not up to the editors to determine eligibility but the Ditmar SubCom. Punkrocker1991 10:06, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Wiki editing should be based on a consensus approach. Where an issue is contentious, it should be resolved here on the discussion page. That said, where an issue comes down to a conflict of personal opinion, it would seem reasonable to favour the position of the editor who has made the greatest contribution to the article in question. — JEREMY 11:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Have you considered the interpretation under which the "nominations" that Jeremy was referring to are the nominations that people submit via a nomination form, or an email, or normal mail? --Thomas Bull 10:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
That's exactly the sense in which I meant it: the DitSubCom will decide which works are appropriate for which categories based on the nominations received, rather than at the level of this (informal) eligibility list. Nevertheless, there's obviously some value in getting the categories right at this level. The problem is that the DitSubCom are not currently considering these matters (eg. the eligibility of design in Art). It's important to note, however, that design was excluded from Art last year, and that Art in respect of book covers was interpreted to mean something like "the principal illustrative element (only)". — JEREMY 10:32, 21 February 2011 (UTC)